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After spending the last week or so on Freenode's #cmtouchpad channel watching the progress of the mod development, it's really jumped out at me that there are a number of questions that get repeatedly asked which should be addressed. In the interest of trying to limit a few of these questions from being asked ad infinitum, here are a number of answers that have been given every time someone asks in channel.

  1. What is the status of the CyanogenMod release for the HP Touchpad?

    The status of the mod changes regularly, as new features are enabled and presented to the community. So far, WiFi is mostly working save for a few small bugs related to power management and sleep. Sound is partially working, but has a bug where it locks up the second CPU for 50% of its cycles, so the second core has been temporarily disabled until the sound glitch can be fixed. Multitouch is working, and video acceleration and the accelerometer are all functional. Multiboot, the camera, light sensor, vibration and Bluetooth are not working.

    This post is not intended to be the official "What works?" list for the Touchpad, and may be out of date. For more current information, read the topic of the #CMTouchpad channel on Freenode IRC, or follow greentheonly on YouTube at this following link. These are the official information sources for port progress.
  2. Is there any way I can help?

    The odds are 1000:1 that no, you will not be able to help. The CM Touchpad team has been working on this for a couple weeks now, and unless you have some knowledge of the specific hardware by way of being an HP/Palm engineer that's legally permitted to work on this project, the answer is no.
  3. Is there an ETA?

    No. The only ETA available is "When it's done."
  4. I found a driver on the Internet, can this help?

    No. The team has already dug far more deeply into the hardware specifications than it's at all reasonable to expect a person just getting into the port's hardware issues would be capable of. If you feel like you absolutely MUST share some information, make a post here but don't harass the team about it. Odds are you won't get a reply. It's not that they're being jerks about it, it's just that the number of people offering up 'help' with located drivers numbers in the dozens or even hundreds by now.
  5. Will CyanogenMod release a public alpha?

    No. Given the complexity of these ports and the chance that a user, even a knowledgeable one, might brick his or her Touchpad, CM has decided not to make a public alpha or beta available. This is not new to the Touchpad port of CyanogenMod, but a standard rule for CM development.
  6. Will I be able to install CM nightlies before the official release?

    No. See above.
  7. Will CM release the Touchpad port without support for feature X that I really don't care about?

    No. CyanogenMod's plan is to release when all features supported by the hardware are at 100%. If this changes, which it is not at all likely to, the CM team will make the announcement. Asking them will not help push them to make a decision in any way, shape or form.
  8. Is CyanogenMod working on a Honeycomb port?

    No. The build being ported is Gingerbread using the AOSP (Android Open Source Project) sources. Google did not release Honeycomb source in order to avoid seeing a flood of phone ROM's running a system not at all designed for the realtime communication needs of a cell phone.
  9. Can Windows 8 be ported to the Touchpad?

    No. Windows 8 has not been released in any form for the ARM platform used by the HP Touchpad, and it may never be. This question does not apply to Cyanogen on the Touchpad.
  10. Will CyanogenMod release with only a single core supported on the device?

    No. CyanogenMod will only release when both cores are at 100% usability.
  11. Will CyanogenMod on the Touchpad support my WiiMote/Sixaxis/Whatever device?

    This is not a question that applies to CyanogenMod itself, but to Android as a whole. As a rule of thumb, once Android is ported and released by the CyanogenMod Touchpad team, anything you can do on other Android devices with the same hardware features.
 

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Re #9, although highly unlikely that Win8 would ever be ported, Microsoft is definitely supporting ARM in their next release.
 

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Only question you didnt answer was if it would be dual-boot or not, which is really important to me. Thanks for some answers though. And if it is, well it be like a tethered dual boot (as in you need to have a computer to boot into android) or everytime you restart will you have a choice? Im asumming thats what multiboot is and you said your working on it.
 

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ilive12 said:
Only question you didnt answer was if it would be dual-boot or not, which is really important to me. Thanks for some answers though. And if it is, well it be like a tethered dual boot (as in you need to have a computer to boot into android) or everytime you restart will you have a choice? Im asumming thats what multiboot is and you said your working on it.
BOOT
Dalingrin said on Twitter that it is dual boot, and made it seem like that's the way they plan to keep it.

And considering the amount of chatter I've seen about uboot, I would assume that they will have a way to boot into android without needing a computer around to do it.

SOUND:
Also they said that the audio problems on the 2nd core have been mostly resolved as of tonight/last night (depending on your time zone).
 

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ilive12 said:
Only question you didnt answer was if it would be dual-boot or not, which is really important to me. Thanks for some answers though. And if it is, well it be like a tethered dual boot (as in you need to have a computer to boot into android) or everytime you restart will you have a choice? Im asumming thats what multiboot is and you said your working on it.
have you seen any of the videos yet? check the first video and you'll find your answer.
 

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1) Is there any idea what Android Device they are going to spoof?
2)Is there any way to "setup" the device in an emulator to get a head start on downloading apps?
3) I am looking forward to being able to dual boot when it first launches, but once using Android adn actually being able to read books, play video and having apps to download, I might want/need to be able to nuke webOS(since I have the 16). Is there any chance to be able to have a build with a soley Android setup? If not in the plans now...can this be a feature request.
 

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My question would be this:
Once released and everyone installs it, will there be some updater to fix/add features the team didnt address prior?

About 50 people from my BBY store bought touchpads and want me to install android on them, if I do that it would be nice if the OS could update as needed to fix bugs.
 

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^^^^^ My question is this, if you are doing this for sales, are you contributing financially to the devolopers? 50 people are a lot of headaches so maybe you are a Cyanogenmod and Rootzwiki supporter right?
 

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MtnXfreeride said:
My question would be this:
Once released and everyone installs it, will there be some updater to fix/add features the team didnt address prior?

About 50 people from my BBY store bought touchpads and want me to install android on them, if I do that it would be nice if the OS could update as needed to fix bugs.
I'm just taking a stab in the dark, but you'll probably have to install updates via clockwork or something. I haven't heard anything about them making an 'auto updater'. I may be wrong though.
 

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McFatty said:
^^^^^ My question is this, if you are doing this for sales, are you contributing financially to the devolopers? 50 people are a lot of headaches so maybe you are a Cyanogenmod and Rootzwiki supporter right?
wasn't going to charge, and I would point to here for future help/donation if they want. Once I do both of mine and my sisters, I figure I would have a good system down to pound them out quickly.
I was an iPhone dev team supporter when I had my iPhone.. once I have something from cyanogenmod I will support them.
 

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post got updated:
looks like they finished GPU accel, and sound: http://touch-droid.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=13

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CyanogenMod - Currently 60% - 70% done to a working port (Doesn't mean final)

What currently works:
Booting into Android
ADB commands via ADB
Touchscreen support (Multi-touch, 10 fingers)
Power, back/home and volume button layout
CPU/GPU Acceleration (Both cores are enabled)
Softkeys
Accelerometer
90% Complete Wifi
(Still needs to be fixed for reconnecting to wifi)
Near 100% Sound http://twitter.com/#!/dalingrin/status/115170225955143680

What does not currently work:
LED
Camera
Mag
Light Sensor
Being able to run Twisted Metal 4, the second best PSX game ever made.

Whats currently being worked on:
PARTIALLY Bluetooth (Bluetooth powers on)
Power Management (Needs to be adapted to a supported android interface)
Vibration (Needs to be adapted to a supported android interface)
Compass
 

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"Quote Originally Posted by McFatty View Post
^^^^^ My question is this, if you are doing this for sales, are you contributing financially to the devolopers? 50 people are a lot of headaches so maybe you are a Cyanogenmod and Rootzwiki supporter right?
wasn't going to charge, and I would point to here for future help/donation if they want. Once I do both of mine and my sisters, I figure I would have a good system down to pound them out quickly.
I was an iPhone dev team supporter when I had my iPhone.. once I have something from cyanogenmod I will support them. "

Sounds like you signed up for something you dont know how to do. I suggest you do some research on the internet about CM. This site called "Google" offers something called "search" that can answer many of these questions for you.

Yes, that was a snarky comment.
 

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Well, you sound like your trying to make money $$ off this, that would mean you sold a service, you supply updates,fixes, and add features. My suggestion would be stop trying to free ride off the developers for your personal gain.
I dont think any developer is going to give a $hit about creating fixes, add ons, updates for you so you can turn around and sell their work. How about this, since they are not making any $$$ off this and are giving ALL bounty money to charity, you give every cent you take from people and even some of your personal money and give it to developers to give to charity. My God.. The nerve of some people...

I would say this to you.. None of your damn business if there is going to be updates, fixes, etc. Point those people to the official ROM when released and keep yourself outta the picture.
 

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Gnubug said:
Well, you sound like your trying to make money $$ off this, that would mean you sold a service, you supply updates,fixes, and add features. My suggestion would be stop trying to free ride off the developers for your personal gain.
I dont think any developer is going to give a $hit about creating fixes, add ons, updates for you so you can turn around and sell their work. How about this, since they are not making any $$$ off this and are giving ALL bounty money to charity, you give every cent you take from people and even some of your personal money and give it to developers to give to charity. My God.. The nerve of some people...

I would say this to you.. None of your damn business if there is going to be updates, fixes, etc. Point those people to the official ROM when released and keep yourself outta the picture.
If I may walk into the Lion's Den a play a little devil's advocate here (please be gentle with me, my intentions are not to troll) ...

As I understand it, the guy wants to install the CM release on 50 touchpads as easily as possible (don't we all?) and may, or may not, charge to do this.

If he DID charge then how is this hurting the CM development team?

Isn't he just providing a service, like helping someone install Ubuntu on a Touchpad (say)?

And if he did point people towards the CM site and mention that donations were possible wouldn't this be more likely to generate revenue for CM than having 50 people using webOS because they didn't want to do the install themselves?

Look, I am going to donate to CM when the thing is released, I think it's an awesome bit of work and as far as I can tell the development team is doing everything right from the release philosophy through to the intention of a charitable donation.

Maybe I am naive but all I can see here is a guy offering a service and maybe charging for it.

What if he both pointed them towards the offical site AND offered to install for a fee, or not?

You could argue that without the CM release he wouldn't make any money but I get rewarded for fixing people's PCs, I don't feel like I'm ripping Microsoft off ;)

As I say, my intentions are not to start a flame war but to have a discussion about the morality of it :)
 

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A person can install it for people, no one has issues about that or doing it for people. The issue at hand I think is the way it comes across when the statement of "About 50 people from my BBY store bought touchpads and want me to install android on them, if I do that it would be nice if the OS could update as needed to fix bugs." It comes across as sounding like " I am going to charge to install this on 50 devices and charge people for it, I do not want to have to fix it, or update it for those 50 people later on down the road after I take all their money, so please make it auto update fixes,updates, so I never have to deal with those people again " It leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
 

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Gnubug said:
"About 50 people from my BBY store bought touchpads and want me to install android on them, if I do that it would be nice if the OS could update as needed to fix bugs." It comes across as sounding like " I am going to charge to install this on 50 devices and charge people for it, I do not want to have to fix it, or update it for those 50 people later on down the road after I take all their money, so please make it auto update fixes,updates, so I never have to deal with those people again " It leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
Well, clarification has been posted stating that there is no intent to charge for it

And I totally get the point, even as someone who is going to install CM myself, it would be 'icing' for CM to flag that an update is available, and for the update process to be as painless as possible

Gnubug said:
Point those people to the official ROM when released and keep yourself outta the picture.
Bingo! please stop dumbing down the universe. Hands up if you installed any hardware or software for a friend or relative and have been shackled ever since ;)

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calris said:
Well, clarification has been posted stating that there is no intent to charge for it

And I totally get the point, even as someone who is going to install CM myself, it would be 'icing' for CM to flag that an update is available, and for the update process to be as painless as possible

Bingo! please stop dumbing down the universe. Hands up if you installed any hardware or software for a friend or relative and have been shackled ever since ;)

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Then you would be a clue level of .5, dont get yourself in the situation to deal with the shackles, and if you got paid for it, its more your fault.
 
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